Comrade PhysioProf’s Handy-Dandy Guide For D00dly Commenters (UPDATED)

You’re a d00dly d00d. Everyone around you since birth has been praising you for sharing your thoughts, opining on topics far and wide, and generally taking fucking action!
You have just visited a feminist blog, have read a post and/or some other comments, and your d00dly opining d00d brain lobe is pulsating like a motherfucker with all sorts of extremely important d00dly things to share with the laydeez. Will you get your sorry d00d ass handed to you on a fucking platter? Or will you be a tolerated visitor? Comrade PhysioProf is here to share his tips with you on avoiding d00d ass platter handitude!


(1) If you are leaving the first comment to a post, you are almost certainly fucking up.
(2) If you are using the words “men”, “boys”, “fathers”, or “sons”, you are almost certainly fucking up.
(3) If you are using the words “should” or “useful”, you are almost certainly fucking up.
(4) If you are telling people that talking about this, that, or the other issue is fine, but also asking them what they are doing about this issue, you are almost certainly fucking up.
(5) If you are complaining that by being “mean”, people that might be allies are being turned off, you are almost certainly fucking up.
(6) If you are asking what you can do to help, you are probably not fucking up.
(7) If you are being told that you have said something offensive, and you indulge your immediate (and understandable) defensive emotional reaction with statements like, “I didn’t mean anything by it” or “you are overreacting”, you are almost certainly fucking up.
(8) If you are being told that you have said something offensive, and you suppress your immediate defensive reaction, think about what you have been told for a while, genuinely apologize, and attempt to learn from what you are told, you are probably not fucking up.
(9) If you are talking about how important your grandmother, mother, sister, wife, daughters are to you, you are almost certainly fucking up.
(10) If you are pointing out how attractive/not attractive a woman is, you are almost certainly fucking up.
(11) If you are talking about the experiences of women you know and distinguishing them from experiences of women being stated directly on the blog, you are almost certainly fucking up.
(12) Everyone possesses unearned privilege. The only relevant questions are What kind? and How much?
(13) The fact that you don’t intend to exert unearned privilege doesn’t mean you aren’t doing so.
(14) If someone calls you out on assertion of your privilege, your dick will not fall off.
(15) Women will get along just fine without your input. If you are entertaining and funny, they might tolerate your presence.
UPDATE: I would like to clarify that my use of the phrase “fucking up” was intended to mean “behaving like a spoiled, vicious asshole”. My own privilege prevented me from seeing that this intention was not well executed, and that it had the effect of making this post sound like a guide book for d00ds to deal with the curious bizarre customs of those wacky feminists. I apologize for that.
This was not intended as a guide to fooling women into thinking you are a tolerable person. Rather, it was intended as a partial guide to how to actually be a tolerable person.

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86 responses to “Comrade PhysioProf’s Handy-Dandy Guide For D00dly Commenters (UPDATED)

  1. You’re a d00dly d00d if you are obssessed with certain commenters to the point of using their comments to generate numerous posts on your own and others’ blogs, all in an effort to show that you belong on a feminist blog. By doing so you’re certainly fucking up!!!

  2. D. C. Sessions

    If there is any disagreement over whether you are fucking up, then you are fucking up — because just because you aren’t pushing one hot button doesn’t mean you’re not standing on another.

  3. This is very good advice.
    Just sitting down and reading about the experiences of people who aren’t like me has shown me that there is no way in hell that I could ever extrapolate from my own experience to theirs. So now I just listen to what they have to say; then I get outraged, and listen for how I could help

  4. If you are CPP…

  5. and for every fucking heroic story you’ve shared of how you as a d00d have highlighted the achievements of a woman who deserved recognition and therefore everything must be totally OK in YOUR little corner of the world thanks to YOUR contributions, i can guarantee that we can easily produce many more stories of how we’ve been shut down and sold short along the way.

  6. hopefully (still?) welcome guy

    I roam around this part of the blogscape but almost never comment (not convinced I’m qualified to do more than listen).
    I’d just add one more:
    If you’re speaking as an “objective” or “outside” observer, you are definitely, without question, being an ass.

  7. (16) If you whine about being fucked up for being a woman is almost certainly fucking up.

  8. DC, I’ll be the first one to declare CPP the winner.

  9. Ha!
    D00dly! D00dlyd00dlyd00dlyd00!
    That word is fun to say. I think I now have a whole new hobby.

  10. 1) Wow. Talk about chumming the waters.
    2) If I have to depend on being funny and insightful to be allowed to talk, it could be a very long time before I say anything. Particularly when I don’t always know when I am actually useful. I hope not to disrupt things, but I assume if I don’t say anything useful but manage not to annoy anyone, I will be ignored.
    3) (16) If you are responding because someone is annoying or because what they are saying can’t be right but you don’t have either anecdote or data, and you respond anyway, you are probably being a dork. Also if you think that someone’s experiences can’t be true – people are more of almost anything that anyone can imagine, so if something seems too $quality to have happened, that really doesn’t mean much.

  11. Rivlin, get over yourself. i presume you mean “fucked over” for being a woman rather than “fucked up”- and that’s giving you a fair amount of leeway for making that subtle little slip.
    even so, a valid complaint of unjust treatment is NOT whining, and this shit still happens ALL THE TIME. recognize this.

  12. You call this a science blog? Isis, can’t you make your own opinions about feminism? Physioprof, where did you go to troll school? There’s so many sock puppets here I feel like I’m …. in a sock puppet store!!!!!
    I’m concerned that this post circumvents the entire nature of the internet.

  13. leigh, no slip. As to the “fucked over,” I believe more often than not, it is blown over. As to unjust treatment, sure it exists and it happens to many women. However, there is a tendency, especailly on certain blogs, to generalize about it to the point that the reader is led to believe that it happens to all women all the time. Then, one can observe as more and more voices are added to the choir, but no voice has ever described specifics. That is when it all sounds like a big whine.
    I said it before, if you have been wronged by someone for being a woman, expose the asshole right here on this blog for everyone to see and hear and I’ll never describe such an exposure a whine. No, I’ll stand with you and fight with you for justice.

  14. Danimal’s rule #1. When listening to the condescending advice of someone who is full of himself, who curses alot, and calls people names for fun, but has nothing to add to the discussion, STOP LISTENING!

  15. As is often the case, I’m not sure which is funnier: the post or the comments. Hmm… more beer is required for further analysis.

  16. Anonymous Psuedonym

    In other words, no matter what you do or do not do someone is going to get mad at you and say disparaging and unkind things about you, asserting that you are such a jerk because you are male, so don’t say anything and go away. With all of those rules all a person has to do to get into trouble is say ‘I do not agree’, or ask a simple question simply because he actually does honestly want to know the answer.

  17. fucking anonymous

    If you are patrolling the comment sections of feminist blogs telling all the other fucking clueless doods how fucking clueless they are–you are almost certainly fucking up.

  18. You call this a science blog? Isis, can’t you make your own opinions about feminism?

    Well, well, well. Scienceblogs favorite litle sociopath Greg Laden comes by with his sock puppets to talk nonsense.
    I have asked my dear friends Abel and PhysioProf to write for me while I try to meet a book deadline. Boy, all this conducting original science is hard!! They have been gracious enough to oblige me and I am thankful to them for providing content to keep the discussion going while I have been otherwise occupied.
    But, that’s what colleagues and friends do for each other — help each other and collaborate. The fact that you continually return here to engage me when you know that you are not welcome tells me that you have developed an obsession that is unhealthy.
    Best case, I recommend you seek psychiatric help. At the minimum, I ask that you do not return here. I don’t want to have to pursue having a Scibling banned, but I will if you are unable to control yourself.

  19. “Well, well, well. Scienceblogs favorite litle sociopath Greg Laden comes by with his sock puppets to talk nonsense.”
    “The fact that you continually return here to engage me when you know that you are not welcome tells me that you have developed an obsession that is unhealthy.”
    What. This is indeed your blog and you have every right to act however you wish at it, but it is not healthy nor good to automatically assume a random moron poster is someone who’s been pestering you. Humans are very prone to seeing incorrect patterns.. Not that I know if it’s him or not, but I have lengthy experience with people who see stalker-type malice everywhere, and it is frustrating and saddening for me to see you act in ways that for me sound too much like it. Not that I matter any at all, but could you please for at least your own sake and your family’s please be less… paranoid? Hmm, not quite the word I was looking for but at the moment I’m too sleep deprived to pinpoint the disturbing aspects of this all.
    I know that proxies are easy to get to, but still, aren’t there ways for you to see if certain IPs keep posting bad stuff and ban them?
    Sorry for the TL;DR. Oh, and no, I’m not going “oh noes, paranoid femnazi” or something. People habitually treated differently because of culture is very real and needs to not be such a danger to humanity. Being too obsessed with obsessive harassers is like an eye for an eye, which as the quote goes, makes the whole world blind. Since it seems unlikely this would be something that would put you in physical or mental danger, just treat any attention-vampires the way they deserve to be treated: Casually like brushing a bug you’ve barely noticed off your shirt, instead of granting them power over you by making you invest too much of yourself when a lot less will be as good and keep you less worn out.
    Hm, apologies if what I’ve said is far too unrealistic for your actual situation, as opposed to the situation as I assume it may be. This reaction is based on that single comment of yours, and what I’ve.seen in my life up close and too personal. I’ve had family getting their mental fortitude seriously deteriorated after living for several decades of adulthood with the attitudes I’ve mentioned. And it distresses me to possibly be seeing more people walk down that path, so I felt compelled to have this oral diarrhoea about the topic. Sorry.

  20. The ScienceBlogs server logs the IP address of everyone who comments here.

  21. Geronimo has kindly provided everyone with a classic example of what can happen when a person thinks it necessary to jump in and lecture without reading and paying attention first.
    This is indeed your blog and you have every right to act however you wish at it, but it is not healthy nor good to automatically assume a random moron poster is someone who’s been pestering you.
    It was not a “random moron poster”, but a specific and consistent pseudonym that Greg Laden uses. If you were to use that little thing called the “search box” at the upper left of the page for that pseudonym, you would find this out very quickly.
    Not that I matter any at all, but could you please for at least your own sake and your family’s please be less… paranoid?
    Oh look, unsolicited advice! Based on a misconception!
    I know that proxies are easy to get to, but still, aren’t there ways for you to see if certain IPs keep posting bad stuff and ban them?
    And wouldn’t you think that maybe, since this is part of the Seed collective of blogs, that Isis would have been trained on how to do so with this platform by the SeedOverlords if she hadn’t already known how to do so?
    just treat any attention-vampires the way they deserve to be treated: Casually like brushing a bug you’ve barely noticed off your shirt, instead of granting them power over you by making you invest too much of yourself when a lot less will be as good and keep you less worn out.
    Translation: You’re getting upset over nothing. Why do feminists always look for little things to get upset about?
    Hm, apologies if what I’ve said is far too unrealistic for your actual situation, as opposed to the situation as I assume it may be. This reaction is based on that single comment of yours, and what I’ve.seen in my life up close and too personal.
    “I just realized that I may have entirely misinterpreted this entire thing since I know nothing about it, but I’m still going to post it anyway because something in MY life was like that once so it must be relevant to yours. Even though I have this little nagging thought in the back of my head that it might not be. But I’m still going to say it anyway, because it’s that important.”

  22. Carlie,
    You stole the words right out of my mouth! Although you were more succinct.
    -A.

  23. I’m concerned that this post circumvents the entire nature of the internet.
    Huh? What? The internet exists to let men tell feminists what they’re doing wrong? I mean, yeah, it’s used that way a lot, but I don’t think that was its original purpose.

  24. Ignore it, Kim. It’s just Greg Laden being an asshat and trying to stir some traffic his way.

  25. RightRighteousSockMonkey

    ….sock puppets are everywhere!!!! Lookout behind you Greg! No….wait.. Over there!! Ruuuuuuuuuun!!!!

  26. “He’s definitely shown himself to be the turd that just won’t flush.”
    Thanks for making me spit coffee on my computer screen!

  27. “yeah, and that would be awesome for
    (a) my pseudonymity
    (b) dredging up horrible memories
    (c) re-invoking the wrath of the entire megalab network for tarnishing the reputation of one of their own… again. it took me years to recover my own reputation from the trash talk.”

    leigh,
    I understand your position, I really do, since I know discrimination first hand. However, you have made a choice of not becoming a soldier in the fight against misogyny. You have selected to let others fight for you, whoever they are. With that choice I believe you also gave up the right to complain. There is a price one must pay if a just war is to be won and you are not willing to pay that price. You have chosen to be an AWOL. That is why your complaining sounds like whining. Of course you are not alone. Actually, the majority of sufferers go along with the suffering, doing nothing to stop it, except to whine.
    There are different variations on the whining thing. For instance, the owner of this blog is a torch bearer in the fight of women almost everywhere against misogyny. Yet, where misogyny is most rampant, in her own church, she chooses to stay silent or only to provide a lip service. This is her choice and we have to respect it, but it dilutes and weakens her fight for women rights on other fronts, including in academia.

  28. You have selected to let others fight for you, whoever they are. With that choice I believe you also gave up the right to complain.

    you pompous ass. how dare you?
    you know nothing of the situation other than what i have told you. you know nothing of the shit i took for standing up to it. or the health problems from chronic stress that resulted from all the shit i took. i pulled together all the outside support and power i could, being that i was in an entirely powerless position.
    i do not back down from a challenge, and i faced that one with all the might i had, while summoning the combined might of my allies who were more equal in power-position to the offender, to make a greater impact than i alone could have made.
    you have no fucking idea where i’ve been. get that through your head.
    i have nothing more to say to you, you self-aggrandized victim of ignorance.

  29. Sol @#38:
    This analysis is beyond stupid. By extension, anyone who wants to do good for public health is doing it rongz if they are not becoming doctors or other health care providers and choosing to work on (pick favorite rationale). Repeat for the next hundred best rationales. Repeat for any societal political good for which you are not ON THE BARRICADES eleventy11! etc.
    People work for their desired goods in the ways that make the most sense for them. The fact that they do not work in the way you choose (or were forced by circumstance) to work doesn’t mean they deserve criticism from you position of alleged purity of purpose and superiority.

  30. Rivlin, you are absolutely despicable. Have you no shame at all?

  31. I never said anything that indicated that the post was made because of such moronic opinions.
    You said that the correct response was not what was done, but would be to give the commenter no attention at all, to treat them as a bug casually brushed off of a shirt, to not invest too much of oneself in responding to them. How is that not equivalent to saying “You’re making too big a deal of this”?

  32. You have just visited a feminist blog, have read a post and/or some other comments, and your d00dly opining d00d brain lobe is pulsating like a motherfucker with all sorts of extremely important d00dly things to share with the laydeez.
    Well, despite the long and random thread of comments, I think the original post (particularly the above sentence) was hilarious. CPP can be MY feminist any day of the week.

  33. SR, when you go to other people’s blogs, make comments, and then are unhappy about the responses and claim that the addressees are stalking you, I think your use of “stalk” is more than a little…wrong.
    I don’t know where your moral currency comes from to drop smack on Leigh here – you make judgements based on your own experiences and knowledge, most of which aren’t and shouldn’t be known to us, but that doesn’t give anyone else reason to invest any credit in your judgement. Your comments don’t really give people any reason to think your judgements more valid than those of the old dude on the corner in my old neighborhood with the tank top and shorts complaining about “kids these days”.

  34. Hap, what are you saying? That leigh’s judgements are more valid than mine? Do you invest more credit in her judgements? At the end, for you both she and I are just like the “old dude on the corner in your old neighborhood with the tank top and shorts complaining about “kids these days”.
    You are entitled to your opinions based on your own experiances and knowledge and so do I. You express them here and so do I. As to stalking, this is a long and tired story, but CPP has been stalking me for a long time. Even this very post and comments thread is the result of his stalking.

  35. Uh, Rivlin? World does not revolve around you.
    Revolves around me, duh.

  36. Becca, I know that, but with all the attention I’m getting here, I almost forgot, duh.

  37. Roadtripper

    This post is pretty much why I stopped giving a damn about the whole feminism issue. It’s not that I don’t have anything to say, or don’t wish to help — it’s just not worth the trouble.
    Rt

  38. Isis, you may have already went beyond your guest’s post and are not giving a damn about your readers’ opinions of it. Nonetheless, it seems that I am not the only one who think that said guest has caused your reputation some damage.

  39. I’m a man and I’m a feminist. I think any group that offers “tolerance” is exclusionary and stupid. If someone’s not shitty, they should be welcomed, not tolerated.

  40. Inverarity

    “Hap, what are you saying? That leigh’s judgements are more valid than mine? Do you invest more credit in her judgements?”
    S. Rivlin, this is the first time I’ve read this blog and I know nothing about either of you other than what I’ve read in the comments in this thread, and I can already answer with a resounding YES to that question.
    #52 is just special too, invoking a fictitious consensus opinion to imply that somehow Bad Things will happen if people foolishly ignore your awesome d00dly wisdom.

  41. @Sol: “Nonetheless, it seems that I am not the only one who think that said guest has caused your reputation some damage.”
    Huh? I am not a big fan of CPP, however, I do not think he damages our Goddess’ reputation. I think he only damages his own, see comment #20.

  42. “Danimal, the people you associate with usually shape your reputation.”
    Then why are you trying to associate with the Goddess? It seems to me that if the Goddess is associated with CPP and she associates with you, does that not bring down your reputation? As said in my earliest post #20, “and calls people names for fun” that was directed at CPP for calling you names along with others. This was pointed out by LostMarbles in this “Who is stalking who again?” My problem with CPP is his name calling and seemingly stalking behavior. My problem with you is that you just do not get that you are annoying. I am not your ally, but I defend you. I think if CPP has issues with you, he should attack your arguments and not your person. Because he resorts to name calling, it lessons what he has to say and I stop listening. But that said, I hold CPP in higher regard then I do you.

  43. Some of these, like #10, are self-evident, others less so, but all have been duly noted. The only point I think I disagree with is #4, and I think it has to do with the different intentions people can attribute to the question of what somebody is “doing”, not just “saying”. One possible intention is that the questioner is seeking to expose hypocrisy on the part of the person being questioned. When found, this hypocrisy is then used to foster a holier-than-thou attitude within themselves, or as an excuse for inaction. This would most definitely be a case of “fucking up”. However, another possible intention is that the questioner is simply looking for examples of action, hoping to find a couple that are relevant to their lives and can be put into action. In this case, point #4 is really just an extension of point #6, which is “not fucking up”. Therefore, when one comes across a person who “commits” point #4, one needs to, I think, reserve judgment about whether or not that person is “fucking up” or “not fucking up” until that person commits a few more of CPP’s points. If the person commits points #6 or #8, it’s probably safe to assume that point #4 was done so in good faith. If the person commits some a few of the “fucking up” points, then #4 is probably done so in bad faith, or at the very least done so in a way that displays their inability to communicate effectively about feminism.
    Overall, the post is most welcome and helpful.

  44. Danimal, first, commenting on Isis’s blog does not make me her associate, just as Barack Obama’s commenting on Rush Limbaugh does not make the President an associate of that bully. I do not consider Isis my associate and I’m sure she does not consider me hers. Second, whether you respect CPP more than you respect me does not make me lose my marbles. Third, if my comments annoy you, you can simply ignore them. Fourth, I appreciate your efforts to defend me (you probably meant to defend my right to speak up). Thank you.

  45. Roadtripper

    Just read the “update.” Oh, delicious irony.

  46. This was pointed out by LostMarbles in this “Who is stalking who again?” My problem with CPP is his name calling and seemingly stalking behavior.
    Just to clear shit up:
    I directed that at Sol, who seems to be constantly complaining about CPP stalking him when recently all I ever see is Sol coming to any thread mentioning CPP to tell us what a mean poopy head he is.

  47. What is hilarious to me about Sol is that usually stalking involves one person following another. It is always Sol who follows PP, making him the stalker. And yet, Sol accuses PP?
    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm……….

  48. I am not a big fan of CPP, however, I do not think he damages our Goddess’ reputation. I think he only damages his own, see comment #20.
    And bless you for comment #20.
    I agree that it’s a stretch to view CPP’s posting as impinging on the Goddess’ rep. But CPP definitely does impede certain kinds of dialogue.
    Maybe I’m the only one, but on some threads I’ve specifically refrained from asking for advice on women-in-science type issues for fear of being called a whinyasstittybaby (or worse). Although, people are probably busy with giving their actual students advice so maybe it’s a net plus (if uncomfortable for me).

  49. Hmmmm… is right. Apparently I am missing pieces of the puzzle. (The animal blushes, puts his tail between his legs, and quietly tip toes off).

  50. @becca: Thanks. Your comment “Call it the CrankyPregnantWomenForVaccines campaign!” gave me an idea for commercial for Abel Pharmboy’s Sex Sells campaign. I only gave an incomplete template on how it might work. Unfortunately, the comment was a little late to the party. Or perhaps a bad idea. Oh, and congratulations on your future new born and motherhood!

  51. My problem with CPP is his name calling and seemingly stalking behavior. My problem with you is that you just do not get that you are annoying. I am not your ally, but I defend you. I think if CPP has issues with you, he should attack your arguments and not your person. Because he resorts to name calling, it lessons what he has to say and I stop listening. But that said, I hold CPP in higher regard then I do you.

    What fucking planet are you from, dumbass, that you think that anyone gives a flying fuck about (1) what your “problem” is with me or Sol or anyfuckingthing or (2) what “regard” you hold me or Sol or anyfuckingbody in? Get a grip, holmes.

  52. “What fucking planet are you from, dumbass, that you think that anyone gives a flying fuck about (1) what your “problem” is with me or Sol or anyfuckingthing or (2) what “regard” you hold me or Sol or anyfuckingbody in? Get a grip, holmes.”
    Do you hear that, Danimal? Just leave us alone. ;)

  53. thebewilderness

    Criminy, CPP, does this mean you are finally going to start following these d00dly rules that you so blithely propose that other d00ds follow?

  54. Dr. Isis- I think Sol and CPP are really the same person, with a very interesting case of MPD. That would explain the “no you’re stalking me!”
    Danimal- alas, I don’t know that anyone is going to go about actually making any pro-vaccine PSA. But I would totally be up for what you proposed! It amused me immensely (more importantly, it might actually work).
    And thank you for your wellwishes.
    @Doug S.- I’d forgotten how much I need an anime mallet…

  55. I’m totally with U.R. on this one, and will have another beer. I do disagree with rule number one – one first has to define “feminist blog” before knowing whether to comment first or not. *gets another beer*

  56. DuWayne, I just want to point out that, while you link goes to your blog, it points to the wrong article.

  57. I think the dOODly guide can better be summed up: better to lurk than post on feminist blogs. You’ll learn a lot of interesting things, and you won’t get jumped on while doing it. PhysioProf is quite right on a number of his points…but honestly if you have to be that careful…why bother? Your d00dly opinion is pretty much not wanted or needed.

  58. BikeMonkeyd00d

    honestly if you have to be that careful…why bother? Your d00dly opinion is pretty much not wanted or needed.
    I think the point is that lurking, reading and understanding is a net good for d00ds and helps them to throw off some of their well indoctrinated d00d-lobe pulsating habits. Subsequent growth of such d00ds is a tangible good related to the purpose of feminist blogs, even it is not an intentional purpose. If this good can be achieved without interference from the d00dly opining reflex then this seems like a no brainer to me.

  59. I agree that it’s a net good, BikeMonkeydOOd. I read many feminist blogs and enjoy thinking about the topics they bring up. I feel like I’ve grown as a person by doing so. But I rarely post, for the reasons I listed above. I’m not crying about it, just describing. If women feminists need their space, let em have it.

  60. I think “you’re fucking up” could be better phrased as “you’re Doing It Wrong”, which has the added benefit of being memetically, as well as semantically, correct.

  61. fullerenedream

    To my eye, CPP’s post appears condescending toward males AND females. It’s just generally condescending, and written in an irritating style. I’m astonished at the crazy flame war it’s created!
    I agree with 6 and 10, but so many of the other rules are context-dependent, they’ll surely be wrong sometimes. And what on earth is wrong with “talking about how important your grandmother, mother, sister, wife, daughters are to you”?
    For whoever cares – I’m female, and consider myself a feminist.

  62. fullerenedream,
    But don’t you feel more secure that CPP is on your side, keeping away males whose opinion not always agree with feminists on a feminist blog? ;)

  63. The d00dLobe Pulsation

    CPP you are fucking it up! D00d ass platter handitude is hilarious! We need more not less.

  64. If you announce that you are a man, you are doing it wrong.
    (and any version of your comment that involves your male-ified viewpoint of something your wife says or does, blah blah)
    Here’s a tip: we can see your dick waving through your words. We completely get that you don’t want ANYONE to EVER EVER EVER think or confuse you (you big macho male, you) with one of those wimmins! YOU are a fucking MAN dammit, here to SPEW ALL OVER THE BLOG!
    If you announce that you are not a feminist, but support women’s issues, you are doing it wrong.
    Here’s a tip: we know. and you don’t.

  65. Couldn’t this guide just be condensed to: “If you possess a Y chromosome you are guaranteed to be fucking up and deserve to be killed” ?

  66. @Emma: Yep, works for me.

  67. announcing you’re a man doesn’t mean fucking anything. it matters. if we’re talking about gender issues, it’s absolutely fucking relevant if you want to say if you’re a man or a woman. one of the points of feminism is to promote open discussion of gender.

  68. “Discuss in a rational manner” in this context is code for “I’m either a d00dly d00d in a clever disguise or a collaborateuse”.
    So, Katherine. Have you persuaded any menz to follow you back to your lair with this stuff of yours?
    (P.S. Duh Wimmenz don’t need to *prove* anything to you).

  69. Actually there is one worse option, Volcano (A.K.A. forgetting to remove the food from the stove).

  70. If you announce that you are not a feminist, but support women’s issues, you are doing it wrong.
    Here’s a tip: we know. and you don’t.

  71. I roam around this part of the blogscape but almost never comment (not convinced I’m qualified to do more than listen

  72. Unless you agree with her, she won’t discuss any point that you make in a rational manner, and only attack you.
    jc, feel free to prove me wrong by discussing any point that you disagree with in a rational manner.

  73. I agree with 6 and 10, but so many of the other rules are context-dependent, they’ll surely be wrong sometimes. And what on earth is wrong with “talking about how important your grandmother, mother, sister, wife, daughters are to you”?

  74. “And what on earth is wrong with “talking about how important your grandmother, mother, sister, wife, daughters are to you”?”
    Generally speaking, a D00d invoking female family members is the sexist’s version of “I’m not a racist, I have black friends!”
    These women are only important to him for the ways in which they can be used to bolster his sexist opinions – i.e. “my mom loved being a stay at home mom!” or “my sister could have had an abortion, but didn’t!”, etc.

  75. They are also good for a weekend outing to the beach and also for running quick errands in town, going shopping or taking an evening walk, http://www.conversewu.com this is all possible because of their comfort ability.

  76. Caps Monster Energy Hats

    According to “the Internet” being popular on Facebook is more important than being popular in real life, so we’re using this to our advantage. If you want one of these hats, http://www.caphatshop.com you’ll need to be our fan on facebook. If you already are, you’re halfway there. Once you’ve pledged your undying love for Alliance Wakeboard, leave a post on our wall explaining why you deserve one of these hats.

  77. Its only a matter of time until Caps Monster Energy Hats and converse one star get their own scienceblogs. Bravo, dudes!

  78. Why THIS post, though? It doesn’t make sense to me. Why not post spam on a more recent one?

  79. Seems like their target demographic is young dudes, and the mention of dudes and profanity probably led them here somehow. The ironing is delicious.

  80. This is indeed your blog and you have every right to act however you wish at it, but it is not healthy nor good to automatically assume a random moron poster is someone who’s been pestering you.

  81. The line “You’re getting upset over nothing.” could have easily been an accurate reply to my post, as well the incorrect “Why do feminists/women always look for little things to get upset about?”,

  82. but it is not healthy nor good to automatically assume a random moron poster is someone who’s been pestering you.
    What are you selling, again?

  83. These are pretty great. I might disagree with rule #9 as “almost certainly” true, though, because I can think of a lot of situations where I’d like to see d00ds think more carefully about the experiences of the women they know and care about.

  84. Pingback: On Why Ed Rybicki is No Better Than Henry Gee: Lessons from #Womanpace | On Becoming a Domestic and Laboratory Goddess

  85. Are we supposed to believe you are a tolerable person, Comrade PottyMouth?

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Comrade PhysioProf’s Handy-Dandy Guide For D00dly Commenters (UPDATED)

You’re a d00dly d00d. Everyone around you since birth has been praising you for sharing your thoughts, opining on topics far and wide, and generally taking fucking action!
You have just visited a feminist blog, have read a post and/or some other comments, and your d00dly opining d00d brain lobe is pulsating like a motherfucker with all sorts of extremely important d00dly things to share with the laydeez. Will you get your sorry d00d ass handed to you on a fucking platter? Or will you be a tolerated visitor? Comrade PhysioProf is here to share his tips with you on avoiding d00d ass platter handitude!

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77 responses to “Comrade PhysioProf’s Handy-Dandy Guide For D00dly Commenters (UPDATED)

  1. becca-the-brave-little-tailor

    Boys like you should know when to let it go… (I would have broken more rules in one, but I do have some science to do around here somewhere)

  2. neurolover

    “(9) If you are talking about how important your grandmother, mother, sister, wife, daughters are to you, you are almost certainly fucking up.”
    Oh, not necessarily. I guess you are if you’re talking about how important they are to *you*. But if you’re pointing out the enormous contributions they make to the world (as long it’s not by doing your laundry or ironing your shirts) it might be OK.
    And I’d add (16) If you ever say “[insert underrepresented minority, gender here] are [insert any negative you want]. But, you’re not like that, you’re fine” (i.e. the exceptionalism argument). You’re being a d00dly d00d.
    (Oh, and women can commit any of these sins, too).

  3. These are pretty great. I might disagree with rule #9 as “almost certainly” true, though, because I can think of a lot of situations where I’d like to see d00ds think more carefully about the experiences of the women they know and care about.
    Word on #14, though. And I would add:
    (16) If you are learning to be aware of your privilege, if you expect/demand a cookie for that, you’re fucking up/doing it wrong.

  4. This is very good advice.
    Just sitting down and reading about the experiences of people who aren’t like me has shown me that there is no way in hell that I could ever extrapolate from my own experience to theirs. So now I just listen to what they have to say; then I get outraged, and listen for how I could help

  5. If you are CPP…

  6. and for every fucking heroic story you’ve shared of how you as a d00d have highlighted the achievements of a woman who deserved recognition and therefore everything must be totally OK in YOUR little corner of the world thanks to YOUR contributions, i can guarantee that we can easily produce many more stories of how we’ve been shut down and sold short along the way.

  7. hopefully (still?) welcome guy

    I roam around this part of the blogscape but almost never comment (not convinced I’m qualified to do more than listen).
    I’d just add one more:
    If you’re speaking as an “objective” or “outside” observer, you are definitely, without question, being an ass.

  8. (16) If you whine about being fucked up for being a woman is almost certainly fucking up.

  9. D. C. Sessions

    Sol, are you trying to give CPP a run for the Asshole Sweepstakes?

  10. And you’d be very, very wrong, Sol.

  11. Katie (with an i), each one and her own favorite asshole. ;)

  12. 1) Wow. Talk about chumming the waters.
    2) If I have to depend on being funny and insightful to be allowed to talk, it could be a very long time before I say anything. Particularly when I don’t always know when I am actually useful. I hope not to disrupt things, but I assume if I don’t say anything useful but manage not to annoy anyone, I will be ignored.
    3) (16) If you are responding because someone is annoying or because what they are saying can’t be right but you don’t have either anecdote or data, and you respond anyway, you are probably being a dork. Also if you think that someone’s experiences can’t be true – people are more of almost anything that anyone can imagine, so if something seems too $quality to have happened, that really doesn’t mean much.

  13. Rivlin, get over yourself. i presume you mean “fucked over” for being a woman rather than “fucked up”- and that’s giving you a fair amount of leeway for making that subtle little slip.
    even so, a valid complaint of unjust treatment is NOT whining, and this shit still happens ALL THE TIME. recognize this.

  14. You call this a science blog? Isis, can’t you make your own opinions about feminism? Physioprof, where did you go to troll school? There’s so many sock puppets here I feel like I’m …. in a sock puppet store!!!!!
    I’m concerned that this post circumvents the entire nature of the internet.

  15. leigh, no slip. As to the “fucked over,” I believe more often than not, it is blown over. As to unjust treatment, sure it exists and it happens to many women. However, there is a tendency, especailly on certain blogs, to generalize about it to the point that the reader is led to believe that it happens to all women all the time. Then, one can observe as more and more voices are added to the choir, but no voice has ever described specifics. That is when it all sounds like a big whine.
    I said it before, if you have been wronged by someone for being a woman, expose the asshole right here on this blog for everyone to see and hear and I’ll never describe such an exposure a whine. No, I’ll stand with you and fight with you for justice.

  16. Danimal’s rule #1. When listening to the condescending advice of someone who is full of himself, who curses alot, and calls people names for fun, but has nothing to add to the discussion, STOP LISTENING!

  17. As is often the case, I’m not sure which is funnier: the post or the comments. Hmm… more beer is required for further analysis.

  18. Anonymous Coward

    And if you, a feminist, have to get a guy to write the rules for you, you are truly physioproffed up.

  19. Sounds like the dOOdly dOOds cannot abide.

  20. I said it before, if you have been wronged by someone for being a woman, expose the asshole right here on this blog for everyone to see and hear and I’ll never describe such an exposure a whine.

    yeah, and that would be awesome for
    (a) my pseudonymity
    (b) dredging up horrible memories
    (c) re-invoking the wrath of the entire megalab network for tarnishing the reputation of one of their own… again. it took me years to recover my own reputation from the trash talk.
    thanks for the offer and all, but my current working group and my support network here at mega u have served all the justice that there is to be served. as you may know, justice is hard to serve when the offending PI is king of his own little fucking kingdom and free to run things as he wishes.

  21. You call this a science blog? Isis, can’t you make your own opinions about feminism?

    Well, well, well. Scienceblogs favorite litle sociopath Greg Laden comes by with his sock puppets to talk nonsense.
    I have asked my dear friends Abel and PhysioProf to write for me while I try to meet a book deadline. Boy, all this conducting original science is hard!! They have been gracious enough to oblige me and I am thankful to them for providing content to keep the discussion going while I have been otherwise occupied.
    But, that’s what colleagues and friends do for each other — help each other and collaborate. The fact that you continually return here to engage me when you know that you are not welcome tells me that you have developed an obsession that is unhealthy.
    Best case, I recommend you seek psychiatric help. At the minimum, I ask that you do not return here. I don’t want to have to pursue having a Scibling banned, but I will if you are unable to control yourself.

  22. “Well, well, well. Scienceblogs favorite litle sociopath Greg Laden comes by with his sock puppets to talk nonsense.”
    “The fact that you continually return here to engage me when you know that you are not welcome tells me that you have developed an obsession that is unhealthy.”
    What. This is indeed your blog and you have every right to act however you wish at it, but it is not healthy nor good to automatically assume a random moron poster is someone who’s been pestering you. Humans are very prone to seeing incorrect patterns.. Not that I know if it’s him or not, but I have lengthy experience with people who see stalker-type malice everywhere, and it is frustrating and saddening for me to see you act in ways that for me sound too much like it. Not that I matter any at all, but could you please for at least your own sake and your family’s please be less… paranoid? Hmm, not quite the word I was looking for but at the moment I’m too sleep deprived to pinpoint the disturbing aspects of this all.
    I know that proxies are easy to get to, but still, aren’t there ways for you to see if certain IPs keep posting bad stuff and ban them?
    Sorry for the TL;DR. Oh, and no, I’m not going “oh noes, paranoid femnazi” or something. People habitually treated differently because of culture is very real and needs to not be such a danger to humanity. Being too obsessed with obsessive harassers is like an eye for an eye, which as the quote goes, makes the whole world blind. Since it seems unlikely this would be something that would put you in physical or mental danger, just treat any attention-vampires the way they deserve to be treated: Casually like brushing a bug you’ve barely noticed off your shirt, instead of granting them power over you by making you invest too much of yourself when a lot less will be as good and keep you less worn out.
    Hm, apologies if what I’ve said is far too unrealistic for your actual situation, as opposed to the situation as I assume it may be. This reaction is based on that single comment of yours, and what I’ve.seen in my life up close and too personal. I’ve had family getting their mental fortitude seriously deteriorated after living for several decades of adulthood with the attitudes I’ve mentioned. And it distresses me to possibly be seeing more people walk down that path, so I felt compelled to have this oral diarrhoea about the topic. Sorry.

  23. The ScienceBlogs server logs the IP address of everyone who comments here.

  24. Geronimo has kindly provided everyone with a classic example of what can happen when a person thinks it necessary to jump in and lecture without reading and paying attention first.
    This is indeed your blog and you have every right to act however you wish at it, but it is not healthy nor good to automatically assume a random moron poster is someone who’s been pestering you.
    It was not a “random moron poster”, but a specific and consistent pseudonym that Greg Laden uses. If you were to use that little thing called the “search box” at the upper left of the page for that pseudonym, you would find this out very quickly.
    Not that I matter any at all, but could you please for at least your own sake and your family’s please be less… paranoid?
    Oh look, unsolicited advice! Based on a misconception!
    I know that proxies are easy to get to, but still, aren’t there ways for you to see if certain IPs keep posting bad stuff and ban them?
    And wouldn’t you think that maybe, since this is part of the Seed collective of blogs, that Isis would have been trained on how to do so with this platform by the SeedOverlords if she hadn’t already known how to do so?
    just treat any attention-vampires the way they deserve to be treated: Casually like brushing a bug you’ve barely noticed off your shirt, instead of granting them power over you by making you invest too much of yourself when a lot less will be as good and keep you less worn out.
    Translation: You’re getting upset over nothing. Why do feminists always look for little things to get upset about?
    Hm, apologies if what I’ve said is far too unrealistic for your actual situation, as opposed to the situation as I assume it may be. This reaction is based on that single comment of yours, and what I’ve.seen in my life up close and too personal.
    “I just realized that I may have entirely misinterpreted this entire thing since I know nothing about it, but I’m still going to post it anyway because something in MY life was like that once so it must be relevant to yours. Even though I have this little nagging thought in the back of my head that it might not be. But I’m still going to say it anyway, because it’s that important.”

  25. Carlie,
    You stole the words right out of my mouth! Although you were more succinct.
    -A.

  26. I’m concerned that this post circumvents the entire nature of the internet.
    Huh? What? The internet exists to let men tell feminists what they’re doing wrong? I mean, yeah, it’s used that way a lot, but I don’t think that was its original purpose.

  27. Ignore it, Kim. It’s just Greg Laden being an asshat and trying to stir some traffic his way.

  28. “the reader is led to believe that it happens to all women all the time. ”
    Because it does. I lay no claim to understanding the perspective of a woman. I’m not one, will never be one, I don’t know what it’s like. I do however know what I observe happening around me and it’s pervasive to say the least. I work in IT, so maybe it’s different in the real world. But I doubt it. Even guys who are nominally progressive often express sexist and demeaning opinions about women and see nothing wrong with doing so.
    Perhaps you operate in an arena where all is near-perfection and there is no systemic bias against anyone who is not a white male*. Goody for you! But that’s not how it is for most people.
    *full disclosure: I’m a middle class white male. I’m well aware of the privilege inherent in that, not that it seems to have done me personally much good I do realize that it exists and I benefit from it in non-trivial ways.

  29. omfg,
    I used to give Laden the benefit of the doubt when I thought he was getting harshed on for his potentially ‘ambiguous’ writings. I see the light now. My apologies. He’s definitely shown himself to be the turd that just won’t flush.

  30. “He’s definitely shown himself to be the turd that just won’t flush.”
    Thanks for making me spit coffee on my computer screen!

  31. “yeah, and that would be awesome for
    (a) my pseudonymity
    (b) dredging up horrible memories
    (c) re-invoking the wrath of the entire megalab network for tarnishing the reputation of one of their own… again. it took me years to recover my own reputation from the trash talk.”

    leigh,
    I understand your position, I really do, since I know discrimination first hand. However, you have made a choice of not becoming a soldier in the fight against misogyny. You have selected to let others fight for you, whoever they are. With that choice I believe you also gave up the right to complain. There is a price one must pay if a just war is to be won and you are not willing to pay that price. You have chosen to be an AWOL. That is why your complaining sounds like whining. Of course you are not alone. Actually, the majority of sufferers go along with the suffering, doing nothing to stop it, except to whine.
    There are different variations on the whining thing. For instance, the owner of this blog is a torch bearer in the fight of women almost everywhere against misogyny. Yet, where misogyny is most rampant, in her own church, she chooses to stay silent or only to provide a lip service. This is her choice and we have to respect it, but it dilutes and weakens her fight for women rights on other fronts, including in academia.

  32. You have selected to let others fight for you, whoever they are. With that choice I believe you also gave up the right to complain.

    you pompous ass. how dare you?
    you know nothing of the situation other than what i have told you. you know nothing of the shit i took for standing up to it. or the health problems from chronic stress that resulted from all the shit i took. i pulled together all the outside support and power i could, being that i was in an entirely powerless position.
    i do not back down from a challenge, and i faced that one with all the might i had, while summoning the combined might of my allies who were more equal in power-position to the offender, to make a greater impact than i alone could have made.
    you have no fucking idea where i’ve been. get that through your head.
    i have nothing more to say to you, you self-aggrandized victim of ignorance.

  33. Sol @#38:
    This analysis is beyond stupid. By extension, anyone who wants to do good for public health is doing it rongz if they are not becoming doctors or other health care providers and choosing to work on (pick favorite rationale). Repeat for the next hundred best rationales. Repeat for any societal political good for which you are not ON THE BARRICADES eleventy11! etc.
    People work for their desired goods in the ways that make the most sense for them. The fact that they do not work in the way you choose (or were forced by circumstance) to work doesn’t mean they deserve criticism from you position of alleged purity of purpose and superiority.

  34. Carlie: “Translation: You’re getting upset over nothing. Why do feminists always look for little things to get upset about?” is as bad as my post. I never said anything that indicated that the post was made because of such moronic opinions. The post was made because of entirely different stupid reasons.
    It is indeed ridiculously true that the comment probably has the least solid reason for being posted ever, since I in this case didn’t actually know the people involved, and that in hindsight and after some sleep shouldn’t have considered posting it without actually researching it a bit before. I didn’t imagine that someone with a scienceblog would fail to realize how commenting on someone else’s scienceblog should be done to not make sockpuppeting ridiculously obvious, nor realized that someone could do intentional sockpuppeting for any other reason than getting under the target’s skin, and made the faulty assumption that they would actually try to cover their tracks to some extent.
    Hence the comment of “random poster”.
    Also, I was not aware of that one could search for comments/comment posters, thanks for the tip.
    The line “You’re getting upset over nothing.” could have easily been an accurate reply to my post, as well the incorrect “Why do feminists/women always look for little things to get upset about?”,
    “but I’m still going to post it anyway because something in MY life was like that once so it must be relevant to yours”
    No, not because it must, but because it might be.
    “But I’m still going to say it anyway, because it’s that important.”
    Health is always important, no human is an island. (No, I’m not a new age hippie nor a woo-ist.) It’s easy to ignore bad/misguided advice, and it’s easy to post cautionary tales. That doesn’t excuse the post, nor the atrociously vague grounds for the comment, but that is why it came about: a very bad judgement call. I apologize for that failure.

  35. leigh, I may have no fucking idea where you have been, but for your own response (#26) according to which the price you may pay for fighting is too high. Based on that I simply opined that in this case your complaing is whining.
    DM, the only thing I said is that complaining without action is whining. People make choices and I am not here to judge them. I do not in any way critisize any choice, only the whine. And whining surely won’t bring the desired change. Thus, your rambling has nothing to do with my response to leigh.

  36. “Rivlin, you are absolutely despicable. Have you no shame at all?”
    Don’t make me lough, CPP. What the hell do you know about shame? Have you begun believing in your own fake image on the bloggospher? Go stalk someone else for a change.

  37. You have just visited a feminist blog, have read a post and/or some other comments, and your d00dly opining d00d brain lobe is pulsating like a motherfucker with all sorts of extremely important d00dly things to share with the laydeez.
    Well, despite the long and random thread of comments, I think the original post (particularly the above sentence) was hilarious. CPP can be MY feminist any day of the week.

  38. SR, when you go to other people’s blogs, make comments, and then are unhappy about the responses and claim that the addressees are stalking you, I think your use of “stalk” is more than a little…wrong.
    I don’t know where your moral currency comes from to drop smack on Leigh here – you make judgements based on your own experiences and knowledge, most of which aren’t and shouldn’t be known to us, but that doesn’t give anyone else reason to invest any credit in your judgement. Your comments don’t really give people any reason to think your judgements more valid than those of the old dude on the corner in my old neighborhood with the tank top and shorts complaining about “kids these days”.

  39. Hap, what are you saying? That leigh’s judgements are more valid than mine? Do you invest more credit in her judgements? At the end, for you both she and I are just like the “old dude on the corner in your old neighborhood with the tank top and shorts complaining about “kids these days”.
    You are entitled to your opinions based on your own experiances and knowledge and so do I. You express them here and so do I. As to stalking, this is a long and tired story, but CPP has been stalking me for a long time. Even this very post and comments thread is the result of his stalking.

  40. Uh, Rivlin? World does not revolve around you.
    Revolves around me, duh.

  41. Becca, I know that, but with all the attention I’m getting here, I almost forgot, duh.

  42. Roadtripper

    This post is pretty much why I stopped giving a damn about the whole feminism issue. It’s not that I don’t have anything to say, or don’t wish to help — it’s just not worth the trouble.
    Rt

  43. Isis, you may have already went beyond your guest’s post and are not giving a damn about your readers’ opinions of it. Nonetheless, it seems that I am not the only one who think that said guest has caused your reputation some damage.

  44. I’m a man and I’m a feminist. I think any group that offers “tolerance” is exclusionary and stupid. If someone’s not shitty, they should be welcomed, not tolerated.

  45. Inverarity

    “Hap, what are you saying? That leigh’s judgements are more valid than mine? Do you invest more credit in her judgements?”
    S. Rivlin, this is the first time I’ve read this blog and I know nothing about either of you other than what I’ve read in the comments in this thread, and I can already answer with a resounding YES to that question.
    #52 is just special too, invoking a fictitious consensus opinion to imply that somehow Bad Things will happen if people foolishly ignore your awesome d00dly wisdom.

  46. Nonetheless, it seems that I am not the only one who think that said guest has caused your reputation some damage.

    Oh no! The offended d00ds don’t like me!!!
    I am sure that you are only looking out for my well-being, Sol.

  47. Inverarity, are you reading “it seems that I am not the only one who think that said guest has caused your reputation some damage” as invoking a consensus opinion? If yes, then you are as full of crap as CPP.
    Danimal, the people you associate with usually shape your reputation. Both Paul O’Niell and Colin Powell found out pretty early during their service in the previous administration how much damage their association with Bush-Cheney caused to their reputation. It took a bit longer for Scott McClellan to figure it out.

  48. I’ve only noticed now that CPProfane updated this post, trying to clean the shit that hit the fan. That what happens when you, Isis, let an infantile bully play with his own kaka.

  49. Some of these, like #10, are self-evident, others less so, but all have been duly noted. The only point I think I disagree with is #4, and I think it has to do with the different intentions people can attribute to the question of what somebody is “doing”, not just “saying”. One possible intention is that the questioner is seeking to expose hypocrisy on the part of the person being questioned. When found, this hypocrisy is then used to foster a holier-than-thou attitude within themselves, or as an excuse for inaction. This would most definitely be a case of “fucking up”. However, another possible intention is that the questioner is simply looking for examples of action, hoping to find a couple that are relevant to their lives and can be put into action. In this case, point #4 is really just an extension of point #6, which is “not fucking up”. Therefore, when one comes across a person who “commits” point #4, one needs to, I think, reserve judgment about whether or not that person is “fucking up” or “not fucking up” until that person commits a few more of CPP’s points. If the person commits points #6 or #8, it’s probably safe to assume that point #4 was done so in good faith. If the person commits some a few of the “fucking up” points, then #4 is probably done so in bad faith, or at the very least done so in a way that displays their inability to communicate effectively about feminism.
    Overall, the post is most welcome and helpful.

  50. Danimal, first, commenting on Isis’s blog does not make me her associate, just as Barack Obama’s commenting on Rush Limbaugh does not make the President an associate of that bully. I do not consider Isis my associate and I’m sure she does not consider me hers. Second, whether you respect CPP more than you respect me does not make me lose my marbles. Third, if my comments annoy you, you can simply ignore them. Fourth, I appreciate your efforts to defend me (you probably meant to defend my right to speak up). Thank you.

  51. Roadtripper

    Just read the “update.” Oh, delicious irony.

  52. This was pointed out by LostMarbles in this “Who is stalking who again?” My problem with CPP is his name calling and seemingly stalking behavior.
    Just to clear shit up:
    I directed that at Sol, who seems to be constantly complaining about CPP stalking him when recently all I ever see is Sol coming to any thread mentioning CPP to tell us what a mean poopy head he is.

  53. What is hilarious to me about Sol is that usually stalking involves one person following another. It is always Sol who follows PP, making him the stalker. And yet, Sol accuses PP?
    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm……….

  54. I am not a big fan of CPP, however, I do not think he damages our Goddess’ reputation. I think he only damages his own, see comment #20.
    And bless you for comment #20.
    I agree that it’s a stretch to view CPP’s posting as impinging on the Goddess’ rep. But CPP definitely does impede certain kinds of dialogue.
    Maybe I’m the only one, but on some threads I’ve specifically refrained from asking for advice on women-in-science type issues for fear of being called a whinyasstittybaby (or worse). Although, people are probably busy with giving their actual students advice so maybe it’s a net plus (if uncomfortable for me).

  55. Hmmmm… is right. Apparently I am missing pieces of the puzzle. (The animal blushes, puts his tail between his legs, and quietly tip toes off).

  56. @becca: Thanks. Your comment “Call it the CrankyPregnantWomenForVaccines campaign!” gave me an idea for commercial for Abel Pharmboy’s Sex Sells campaign. I only gave an incomplete template on how it might work. Unfortunately, the comment was a little late to the party. Or perhaps a bad idea. Oh, and congratulations on your future new born and motherhood!

  57. I can’t stop laughing at this post. Masterful, d00d.

  58. CPP, thanks for making my point. Your post is exactly what I was talking about.

  59. I’m feeling decidedly patronised.

  60. Prinny, dood!
    (Sorry, I couldn’t resist.)

  61. These are really good tips

  62. I was going to post a substantive response to this post here, but decided to post it to my own blog – it just went up. However……
    It is truly and utterly idiotic to chastise people for the potential damage they are doing to their reputation. I rather like Danimal, but give me a break man. I doubt that CPP is really concerned about alienating people who disagree with him, I know that I’m not. While I would certainly be disappointed if people here who read my response to this post decide not to read me anymore (especially CPP), I am not going to let that potential disappointment keep me from saying what I think needs to be said.
    Quite honestly, I have no interest in engaging people who are going to disregard everything I have to say, because of something they disagree with or because they don’t like my tone. Fucking pansies who can’t take the tone or the message, aren’t worth my time. I don’t really mind if they decide not to hang with me.

  63. DuWayne, I just want to point out that, while you link goes to your blog, it points to the wrong article.

  64. I think the dOODly guide can better be summed up: better to lurk than post on feminist blogs. You’ll learn a lot of interesting things, and you won’t get jumped on while doing it. PhysioProf is quite right on a number of his points…but honestly if you have to be that careful…why bother? Your d00dly opinion is pretty much not wanted or needed.

  65. BikeMonkeyd00d

    honestly if you have to be that careful…why bother? Your d00dly opinion is pretty much not wanted or needed.
    I think the point is that lurking, reading and understanding is a net good for d00ds and helps them to throw off some of their well indoctrinated d00d-lobe pulsating habits. Subsequent growth of such d00ds is a tangible good related to the purpose of feminist blogs, even it is not an intentional purpose. If this good can be achieved without interference from the d00dly opining reflex then this seems like a no brainer to me.

  66. I agree that it’s a net good, BikeMonkeydOOd. I read many feminist blogs and enjoy thinking about the topics they bring up. I feel like I’ve grown as a person by doing so. But I rarely post, for the reasons I listed above. I’m not crying about it, just describing. If women feminists need their space, let em have it.

  67. I think “you’re fucking up” could be better phrased as “you’re Doing It Wrong”, which has the added benefit of being memetically, as well as semantically, correct.

  68. Thanks Danimal, I was rushing a bit. The actual post is on top for the moment, so it is easily found clicking on my name…

  69. fullerenedream

    To my eye, CPP’s post appears condescending toward males AND females. It’s just generally condescending, and written in an irritating style. I’m astonished at the crazy flame war it’s created!
    I agree with 6 and 10, but so many of the other rules are context-dependent, they’ll surely be wrong sometimes. And what on earth is wrong with “talking about how important your grandmother, mother, sister, wife, daughters are to you”?
    For whoever cares – I’m female, and consider myself a feminist.

  70. fullerenedream,
    But don’t you feel more secure that CPP is on your side, keeping away males whose opinion not always agree with feminists on a feminist blog? ;)

  71. The d00dLobe Pulsation

    CPP you are fucking it up! D00d ass platter handitude is hilarious! We need more not less.

  72. If you announce that you are a man, you are doing it wrong.
    (and any version of your comment that involves your male-ified viewpoint of something your wife says or does, blah blah)
    Here’s a tip: we can see your dick waving through your words. We completely get that you don’t want ANYONE to EVER EVER EVER think or confuse you (you big macho male, you) with one of those wimmins! YOU are a fucking MAN dammit, here to SPEW ALL OVER THE BLOG!
    If you announce that you are not a feminist, but support women’s issues, you are doing it wrong.
    Here’s a tip: we know. and you don’t.

  73. Couldn’t this guide just be condensed to: “If you possess a Y chromosome you are guaranteed to be fucking up and deserve to be killed” ?

  74. @Emma: Yep, works for me.

  75. announcing you’re a man doesn’t mean fucking anything. it matters. if we’re talking about gender issues, it’s absolutely fucking relevant if you want to say if you’re a man or a woman. one of the points of feminism is to promote open discussion of gender.

  76. Ryan, I wouldn’t bother arguing with jc. Unless you agree with her, she won’t discuss any point that you make in a rational manner, and only attack you.
    jc, feel free to prove me wrong by discussing any point that you disagree with in a rational manner.

  77. Nice,I don’t mean to sound negative but to me, there really is very little room for family in a research institution (whether you are a man or a woman). In fact, to me it seemed there was no room for anything but the research. I don’t know if this will ever change. The few people (all of them men) who WERE able to maintain a happy family life while being faculty at a research institution said they suffered through and somehow survived until they obtained tenure and then they found a way to back-off and re-focus on family.
    Good luck to all of you making your way in this world.
    Sincerely,
    Jessica

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